Okay, I can think now....
Feb. 18th, 2005 07:23 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
msfledermausI burrito and a cup of tea later...
Yeah, that's much better.
In fact, there was a discussion topic I wanted to bring up for a while that was really pestering me to post it. I'll post it in the form of a question; What do you think of the roles society with a capitol S asks of you, personally?
I know this is a big, loaded question. which Society? The one you choose, the "greater society" which fluctuates heavily from place to place and culture to culture, The society your gender or race or sexuality expects from you? Is the word "Demand" too strong a word?" Is it something that suits you? Do you rebel? Do you want it to change?...
...as you can probably tell, I already have personal opinions on the subject. I'll try to encapsulate them as briefly as possible, but be warned: I ramble like a Thing What Rambles... In general, I find Midwestern Society with a capital S way too restricting, too shallow, and too hypocritical. I run into some kind of disapproval almost daily for not fitting neatly into the categories that this society expects me to...very basic categories that immediately mark me as "outsider, possibly weird, might have too many cats in her house." (Okay, granted I work in a weird place.) I really wish there was more wiggle-room for more kinds of honest expression, and I fear our political climate lately is doing it's best to lock up what's left of that expression nice and tight for as long as it can, any way it can.
Especially when it comes to things like sexuality, politcal viewpoints, etcetra. It really bothers me how much of that seems to be enforced more and more ecomonically these days...
Anyway, enough about me. What are your thoughts?
Yeah, that's much better.
In fact, there was a discussion topic I wanted to bring up for a while that was really pestering me to post it. I'll post it in the form of a question; What do you think of the roles society with a capitol S asks of you, personally?
I know this is a big, loaded question. which Society? The one you choose, the "greater society" which fluctuates heavily from place to place and culture to culture, The society your gender or race or sexuality expects from you? Is the word "Demand" too strong a word?" Is it something that suits you? Do you rebel? Do you want it to change?...
...as you can probably tell, I already have personal opinions on the subject. I'll try to encapsulate them as briefly as possible, but be warned: I ramble like a Thing What Rambles... In general, I find Midwestern Society with a capital S way too restricting, too shallow, and too hypocritical. I run into some kind of disapproval almost daily for not fitting neatly into the categories that this society expects me to...very basic categories that immediately mark me as "outsider, possibly weird, might have too many cats in her house." (Okay, granted I work in a weird place.) I really wish there was more wiggle-room for more kinds of honest expression, and I fear our political climate lately is doing it's best to lock up what's left of that expression nice and tight for as long as it can, any way it can.
Especially when it comes to things like sexuality, politcal viewpoints, etcetra. It really bothers me how much of that seems to be enforced more and more ecomonically these days...
Anyway, enough about me. What are your thoughts?
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Date: 2005-02-18 02:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-22 01:51 pm (UTC)*nod nod*
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Date: 2005-02-22 01:51 pm (UTC)yeah, I was thinking quite a bit along these lines...i kind of feel a bit idiotic about bringing out this old topic to gnaw on....it just botheres me lately.
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Date: 2005-02-18 04:48 pm (UTC)YES! This is exactly how I feel...and have even been told directly that I DO NOT fit into cooperate society so I can not get a job in a office type environment (although I did have a couple jobs that were in offices and I did find myself feeling very uncomfortable and like I did not belong, I am very very bad with "small talk" and such) but my sister made me feel better about myself the other day (even tho she is the one who said the above to me also)...she compared me to Van Gogh and Camille Claudel (although I do not know anything about her yet ha so not sure if this is a good or bad thing but the way she was talkin it WAS a good thing she told me I should rent the movie but they didn't have it at blockbuster) So yea...now I have lost my train of thought haha..but did I use enough parenthesis? heh
She also tells me I am very eccentric (as does most everyone who knows me)...and I do take that as a compliment...but I do sometimes wish I could be "normal" it would make a bunch of stuff easier I suppose
Ok I had more to say on this but I guess I have not had enough caffeine yet either!
But I completely agree with you :D
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Date: 2005-02-22 01:47 pm (UTC)So...this means we are some kind of pioneers, we are. Hopefully not the Donner Party, though, I don't have enough barbecue sauce for that...
Oooooh!
Date: 2005-02-22 03:32 pm (UTC)Hahaha bout the donner party....you are so cute!
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Date: 2005-02-18 07:23 pm (UTC)As far as society and it's views on the sexes, I work a job that's almost entirely made of men. I've faced a lot of flak about my role but mostly from men down south.
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Date: 2005-02-22 01:49 pm (UTC)Oh, that's some of the worst, dealing with the Boy's club that's usually guy-oriented. I get a lot of crap from the Post Office, same reason, when I go to pick up mail and whatnot.:P
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Date: 2005-02-23 12:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-18 11:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-22 01:43 pm (UTC)It's been getting worse here, I think. A lot of it is the political muscle making Going After People You Don't Like an okay thing now...*shudder*
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Date: 2005-02-22 02:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-19 04:57 pm (UTC)1) Worker: I am a billable unit. I help clients make money for my company. Sometimes I'm 100% billable, sometime 60%. My boss likes me better when I'm 100% billable.
2) Husband: I am here to entertain, to build barn doors and fences (literally).
3) Friend: I cannot spend too much time away fro M'Luv or work or school, so I get precious little time for friends.
4) Male: I don't hunt, I can't follow a football game as well as M'Luv (who gre up near Green Bay). I have polymorphous thoughts sometimes, but I don't feel comfortable touching any but maybe two male friends I know, and that's only for a rare perfunctory "guy hug".
5) Student: I do what I'm told and occasionally work extra hard on something, only to get a ++1/2 out of ++++. I asked the prof what ++1/2 means in terms of the final grade and she said she's not "into" grades. I thought my efforts were at least worth a +++.
6) Lover: I'll tell you next time I see you. That's on a need to know basis ;)
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Date: 2005-02-21 02:06 am (UTC)1:worker...freaked out hard-working Imp of the Inferno. Goes "Nyahahaha"
Can make or break any copier. Boss is really really evil; I live in deep fear.
2: One What Loves...complex, unusual and nunya business, peoples...
3: Friend...I try to be a Good Munkay...sometime I am reclusive and hide from them, and they drag me out into the Forbidding World...where I have a good time.
4: Female: I nurture plants and can gather like a muthafucka. I have boobs.
I can be most stern. I live alone and have no cats. yet.
5: Artist. realllllly needs to market better. BaD, BAD ARTIST.
6: Witch. that throws the Society curve right there...always a community necessity, always osracized by same comminity...
I should try more of this, and ask people to do the same...
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Date: 2005-02-21 05:18 pm (UTC)You have boobs?
Good artists make bad marketing people, unless you're a performance artist, like Dali.
Yeah, the witch thing means you'll never be elected to the US Senate... It only qualifies you to be a Repugnican First Lady (Nancy Reagan, Pat Nixon, Laura Booosh) Hilary was only a Bee-yotch, not a Wee-yotch. Where do I go to get Warlock lessons?
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Date: 2005-02-22 01:38 pm (UTC)Oh. My....Not gonna touch that one, nope, nope...
As for Warlock lessons...you don't. Boy Witches are just Witches. I think someone told me once or twice that Warlock was supposed to be an old Norse term for "Oathbreaker" or something that just got shoved into the current parlance. No male Witch I know calls himself a Warlock, and the guys that just came out of the Broom closet that try to use it invoke snickering.
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Date: 2005-02-22 02:17 pm (UTC):: smiles ::
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Date: 2005-02-22 04:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-02-22 02:16 pm (UTC)